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The Jadczyk - Weidner CorrespondenceFrom:
Goldenflower@... I thank you for proving that my suspicions were correct. I told Vincent that you 2 weren't sophisitcated enough to understand what we were saying in our book, I told him that neither of you was coming from a tradition, therefore you had no training, I told him that channeling is an open door to evil and pernicious spirits. I told him that you 2 would take every thing he said, twist it all up and then throw it out to the public without a care for the ramifications. I told him that you weren't sensitive enough to understand Pythagorian geometry. I told him that Ark just another crack pot who calls himself (constantly I might add just in case we forget!!!) a 'Physicist'. Like that means anything. I told him that the 'C's' were the worst historians imaginable and that they had missed large and important, but secret, aspects of history. I told him that one could tell that she (Laura) was getting everything from books that she was reading and that not one, not one, original idea ever came from her material and that she had frankly gotten much very wrong. What can I say? I mean she's talking to spirits for crying out loud - how can we believe anything a bunch of spirits say? But no he wouldn't listen. I told him who you really are and who you are really working for. He said 'no' you're wrong Jay. And I said to him 'then we will see by what happens. If they use your words against you publicly, if they say things that endanger your life, then we will know who is who.' Thank you so much for proving me right. I asked God to help me with my BS radar and I called the shots on you 2 over a year ago. Jus ask Steve Oakly who also foolishly fell for your very intelligent operation. Vincent is not lying when he says that he has lost $2000 on the Zaca deal. As Director of the lake I can confirm that his $2000 check has been cashed and deposited. (Please call Adina, the Zaca Lake Business Manager 805 688 5699.) I cannot give him his money back without breaking serious ethical rules. I will not break those rules as I have given my word to follow them. You owe him that money. This has nothing to do with me anymore. All I know is that you gave your word. If you break your word you should at least help him out financially. (I know you won't because destroying Vincent was the entire point of the operation. ) (Read Fastwalker by Jacques Vallee, you and all of the others are pawns of an operation to destroy the old Gods and replace them with aliens and channelled beings, now the NWO will have gods that they can control). I warned Vincent and he didn't listen to me. I know who you are. I know what you are doing. You will eventually get someone killed with your foolishness. If you have an ounce of mercy, or free will, please stop your irresponsible words and think about what you are saying. Every thought that you place in someone's head is now directly related to your karma. When one goes public they take on a lot of karmic responsibility. You are not using your public responsibility in a good way. Sincerely, PS - I need to say this because it is proof of how sloppy the 'C's' really are: Knowledge doesn't protect anything. Knowledge in the hands of fools is the most dangerous thing that there is. WISDOM protects. Wisdom is knowledge coupled with intuition. It is the intuitive part that protects, the knowledge part is actually the aspect of being that places us in great danger. Quit reading trashy conspiracy books and cheap psuedo science and try a little Rene Guenon. You will find out how wrong you are. Geez. Date
sent: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 04:53:29 -0700 alvin wiley - ...@cs.com (spider-wi014.proxy.aol.com | 205.188.197.24) wrote : Why do you lie when you say that others have backed out of the conference. This is not true. Not one has backed out except you (thank God for that!!!) You are a liar which somehow doesn't surprise me. You are also lying about the entities no doubt. Thank you for all the great material you are giving me for my article that I am writing about you. Each one of your indescretions will be noted. I know what you are and I will tell the world who you are working for. All of your bullshit 6th and 7th density beings and you call yourself a Physicist. You couldn't get a job as a janitor. I am telling VB to do the right thing and sue your asses into the ground. He needs to let the boys who are running your show know that we will not be trifled with. You should be sued for slander and I am telling Jirka Rysavy to do it as your claims are without merit. You have shown yourselves to be the perfect dupes. And your information is so full of crap it hurts. That's why you don't lis! t your sessions chronologicaly. You are back dating material as you find out what is right and what isn't. You are a classic intelligence operation and I intend to wipe you out. I am not afraid of you at all. I know that the devil runs as fast as he can whenever he is confronted. It is time to lay to rest all of this alien BS, this channeled crap and all the other lies that the NWO wants us to believe. If you expect anyone to believe that using a Ouja board is not Satanism then you should be attempting to get that fool into your organization. I told VB who you were, I said that time would tell. Jay To: ...@... On 10 Aug 2001, at 4:53, ...@cs.com wrote: > Why do you lie when you say that others have backed out of the > conference. This is not true. Not one has backed out except you > (thank God for that!!!) Jay, You are evidently uninformed: From VB email of August 6:
From VB of August 7:
WE didn't invent the above The only info we had was from VB. If you are interested in the truth, we can make all the emails available to you exactly as they came. ark From: Goldenflower@... When I write 'BS' please do not use the word .'bullshit'. You did this to make me look bad. [Note: Jay used the word and we have the original email as evidence.] Thank you for kind confirmation. I look forward to much more of your disinformation campaign. As you have been exposed to the world it is time to begin the slow work to destroy us. Was it the Jon Benet piece that got you involved? I knew that it would attract an upper level situation. I guess I should be thrilled but I know that you will take every word and stretch it out until you have confused everything. I have seen your work up close and I know who you are. The sad part is that you actually think that you are acting on your own. What dupes. What pawns. Oh wait I have to leave, the Arkturians are calling from the stars!!! They have much information to impart! Where's my Ouija Board when I need it!!! Channelingly yours "Jay Weidner" From:
Arkadiusz Jadczyk On 11 Aug 2001, at 13:29, Goldenflower@cs.com wrote: > When I write 'BS' please do not use the word .'bullshit'. You did > this to make me look bad. Here is a VERBATIM opy from your email: """"All of your bullshit 6th and 7th density beings and you call yourself" Remember, every e-mail has an ID number, and copies are always stored on ISP servers. So we did not use the word "bullshit" to make you look bad - it is you who used it. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. ark From: Goldenflower@... I know who you are and I know what you are doing. Shame on you. Jay Date
sent: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:02:01 -0700 bob roberts - ...@cs.com From : iron (spider-th034.proxy.aol.com | 152.163.213.59) wrote : To correct another of your many and continuous mis statements - Jirka Rysavy does not, and has never, owned Zaca Lake. We are a US non profit corporation and you can look us up at the IRS. Just thought I would give a little help to you 'investigators'. Also you could have called our business office and they would have also told you the correct information. I guess when you can't find something on someone then you have to make it up. I really do suggest you read all books by Rene Guenon. You will see that you ( and Vincent and Stan) are part of a counter tradition. It is one that is born at the end of time, it is ruled by darkness and ignorance. It has no traditions and it attempts to shed light for the masses to understand. Instead you only spread more hate and negativity. Please quit being so paranoid and do what all good investigators do - pick up the phone and or go to the library. Not everything can be found on the internet. Sometimes you have to get off you f! at asses and do something physical. Sincerely Date
sent: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:38:14 -0800 "Jay Weidner" - ...@… From : USA wrote : To Those Concerned (both human and alien): (Please print my complete response or do not print any of it) I, Jay Weidner, have never made any connections between the Jon Benet murder and Jirka Rysavy. Anyone who claims that I have made any connections, or indeed made any insinuations, is lying. I believe that any public statements stating such are libelous and I will send them on to the proper authorities. Sincerely, Date
sent: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 17:12:52 -0800 alvin wiley - ...@… From : usa wrote : To Those Concerned (Ouija spirits and humans alike): (Please print all or none - thanks JW) I researched the book A Monument to the End of Time for ten years before Vincent Bridges came on board to help me write the finished product. Other than that we wrote one article "Innocent Murdered" and that is it. I have also written vast amounts of catalog copy, articles, film scripts, books and instructional videos without Vincent. To equate someone, who once helped me write, as my 'partner' is a misnomer. Vincent is someone who helped me, on occasion, because of my very busy schedule. The Zaca affair was initiated by you guys. You screwed our charity out of a prime weekend and $8000. You could have called me before you let it get out of hand and we could have rescheduled something more to your liking. Instead you took the wrong way out and didn't care who you screwed in the process. That is why I am mad at you. We use the money we make here for a charity that creates free summer camps for inner city children. I still believe that you are what you are and you have proven it more than ever now. I didn't know of Vincent's many claims to fame. I liked him and still like him because he is a very good scholar. If he has lied about his past - then shame on him. However he is not, nor has he ever been, my 'partner'. Sincerely, Jay Weidner From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk On
9 Dec 2001, at 17:12, ...@... wrote: Hello Jay, Laura here: While I understand your concerns and evident wish to distance yourself from the fall-out surrounding Mr. "Bridges", as well as any future legal action, and the resultant process of discovery which might include obtaining depositions from yourself, his many "references" including his "teachers" and former partners in the practice of "therapy," not to mention his claims about your employer/benefactor which figured so prominently in his "story," etc etc, I don't think that what you have written about the conference is something that you would want posted at present. Here's why: Mr. "Bridges" has repeatedly claimed the following (his own words): "Last January, a group of us decided to have a conference this fall, to celebrate the 13th year of Fifth Way and provide a chance for some of our more far-flung folks to get together and brain storm on all of their different perspectives on the approaching cosmic event. We had a lovely spot in southern California to hold it, with room for a large but still comfortable group of folks to gather for the weekend. It was priced to break even on 2/3 occupancy. No one, not the organizers nor the speakers, thought of it as a way to make money. Speakers received their airfare and expenses. If we did make any money, it was agreed to split it among the non-organizer speakers." The conference was NEVER advertised as a "charitable" event either on Mr. "Bridges" website, nor in any of the public postings he has made about it, before or after. In our particular case, the ONLY reason for agreement to attend, based on a "plan" formulated by Mr. "Bridges", was to present our books. That was it. The whole deal. As a rule, we don't DO conferences, and he knew it. But, as a favor TO HIM, to help his "business" sell the books, we reluctantly agreed on the proviso that 1) the books were on the table and 2)we could make arrangments for our children since he made it clear that he could not cover their air-fare or lodging. (He has later claimed that he had already purchased tickets for all of us, but this is not true, or if it is, we were never notified and he knew that when and if the day came, we planned to rent a van and drive out so that we would not have to leave the children.) So, you see the problem? If we publish your claims about a "charitable event" NOW, it will look like YOU are making things up to cast us in a bad light and to justify Mr. "Bridges" bad behavior. No one will EVER believe it. What is more, you are making claims that contradict Mr. "Bridges" repeated statements, as known to hundreds of people. Now, in the event that what you are NOW saying is true, that it was a "charitable" event, that presents a further problem. You see, since it contradicts what Mr. "Bridges" has said, it will become an item at issue legally, and will require further "discovery." If he is shown to have misrepresented this event, as you suggest he did, it will be even more damning to him, and I get the impression that you are trying to help him. So, please let us know if you wish us to publish your comments. We will, of course, have to publish them side by side with Mr. "Bridges" OWN remarks about the conference (of which there are numerous versions, none of which mention a charity), along with his original advertisement on his website, which also failed to mention said charitable nature of the event. In either case, the reader will only conclude that somebody is lying and they will wonder if it is you trying to both justify Mr. "Bridges", and CYOA at the same time, or it will further confirm Mr. "Bridges" now evident habitual loose handling of the truth (to put it generously). In all cases, we ARE interested in the truth. Can you provide us with evidence that it was a charitable event and that Mr. "Bridges" failed to inform both us and the public of that fact? That would be very useful legally. Further, your remarks that he is not your "partner" will have to be juxtaposed against a dozen statements he has made that you ARE. Again, this is not helpful to Mr. "Bridges", and again I infer that you are trying to help him. As noted, there are many people who will be involved in the event of any further action by Mr. "Bridges". Unlike Mr. "Bridges", we are not publishing anything about him or the situation that we can't back up with hard evidence or multiple witnesses. I would also like to note the fact that, at ANY point in time, the entire process could have been avoided. In fact, we almost BEGGED Mr. "Bridges" to NOT post what were clearly twisted statements before he made his initial "spam" post that set the whole ball rolling. (Again, with witnesses.) Not because there was anything to hide, but because I could see, even at that moment, that if he posted lies, we would be obliged to respond to them and at that moment in time, we had NO wish to be placed in an adversarial position. We merely wanted to divorce ourselves from association for the stated reasons. That was all. It was necessary for us to explain to our private egroup why, but we had NO intention of announcing to the public and the readers this "why." At that moment, Mr. "Bridges" had the option of just accepting our decision, which was legally sound and legitimate, (again, we did it with legal advice), finding a speaker to replace us, handling the matter in a professional way (speakers cancel all the time, and the organizers constantly find replacements and no blame is cast on anyone) and carrying on with his life and leaving us to ours. It was REALLY that simple. His reasons for doing otherwise, and engaging you to think whatever you have thought about the situation, which we can only surmise based on your numerous comments, and engaging as many others as he could to libel us, slander, stalk, and otherwise do us intentional harm, may only be revealed in a courtroom. And again, that will be HIS choice, not ours. We do not attack anyone. But we do feel that we have a right to our own choices, and even to change our minds when we decide that we have made a mistake. And we do think that we have the right to defend ourselves when we are unjustly attacked, as is the case in this situation. So, try to imagine a scenario in which Mr. "Bridges" did not start this ball rolling. Imagine we cancelled, and he accepted it, and found someone else, and an announcement was made that "for personal reasons, so and so have had to cancel, and we have been fortunate to replace them with so-and so!" Imagine that Mr. "Bridges" had NOT spammed over 150 people with an email telling them that if they wanted to cancel, they would have to blame US, and WE were responsible for their refunds (completely illegal, by the way.) Well, that is what he did. But imagine that he didn't do it. Imagine how none of that which has followed would then EVER have occurred. That would have been that. No fuss, no bother, no stalking, no defense, nothing. And you will understand why we begged him NOT to make that choice. Thank you, Laura Knight-Jadczyk From:
Goldenflower@…. Laura: I am not surprised at Vincent's misuse of your name. He is one terrible business man - of that I am sure. Let me state for the record that Zaca Lake Retreat was not putting on the event in September. We were merely renting the space to Vincent's company. Yes I was charging a reduced rate for the rent. The money that Zaca Lake would have recieved for the rental goes to Zaca Charity which provides summer camps, with the funds, for inner city children. That money did not come because of the screw up. You see, from my point of view, $8000 was taken away from this program and that really irritated me. It still does. I have no idea what Vincent was planning nor do I care. I don't think that he was planning some kind of occult event because he knew that I would be dead set against any such activity happening on this sacred soil. He left me in the dark concerning the event and that also irritates me. In the end the poor kids were the one who were ultimately screwed over in this silliness. And that's really too bad. Sincerely, From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 10 Dec 2001, at 14:59, Goldenflower@... wrote: >
Laura: You are probably right. But there is more than that here. Let me explain in response to what you have written regarding your own perspective: > Well, here is problem number one: this is not the way it was presented. It was essentially that his "partner is in good with the owner. He just gave it to Jay to run, and we can do whatever we like!" >Yes I was charging a reduced rate for the rent. See above. The presentation we got was that You and V were the movers and shakers of the whole thing... together... and, the fact is, as we have discovered, V has no company! >The
money that Zaca Lake would have Understandably. However, I can guarantee to you that the presentation of the circumstances, the conditions, the 'deals' and everything else about it - to our entire group - was quite different. So you can see why we were pretty shocked when you wrote and said "I can't refund his money," because from what we were told, there was NO money being paid to you by him, because you were PARTNERS in the affair. See how it looked? And that is how these 200 other people saw it as well... In fact, you were the one who ended up looking bad because you were jerking your partner around! You looked like a "co-conspirator."
I think I would care when the results are that you are made to look sort of "conspiratorial" and, if what you are saying is true - well that's how it ended up looking. >I
don't think that he We didn't care whether or not he was planning any weird things. We were getting a LOT of emails from readers who were concerned about our public association with FWMS. And the truth is, I hadn't paid too much attention to all that. The only time I had ever visited V's site was several months, or a year, before, when all the research work on AMET was there and I downloaded and printed all of it to put in a notebook to study. At that point in time, IF there were magical mumbo jumbo pages there, I didn't see them. But our readers sure were and they were very upset. So, I went and had a look for myself on the urls they were sending me. I was a little upset. To calm down our readers, we posted the disclaimer about our appearance at this conference sponsored by FWMS - as well as galactic alignment etc. None of which is unheard of in conference matters - since my husband has attended many of them over his 30 year career as a physicist. He has also organized several and was one of the organizers of the 10th Max Born Symposium, a large conference, and the details of conference managment, what is okay and not okay, how they operate, is a big part of his knowledge base. We thought that would be enough. It was when I read the post about his "Equinox working" - in conjunction with the issues on one of the physics lists about "anti-semitism" and it's connection to black magic, that we realized that we were sitting ducks just waiting to be picked off because of our association with a group of "Enochian magicians" who were doing Golden Dawn type rituals. You see, most of Ark's colleagues are Jewish... the ones he works with on a day to day basis, our livelihood.... and they were, at that very moment, on a major information gathering rant about anti-semitists who were into black magic, enochian magic, golden dawn stuff, etc. And would V give up his rituals or his FWMS or his mumbo-jumbo or take down those pages on his site or whatever to protect us? Of course not. He had the option, though we would never have asked him to. But he COULD have offered. He knew the situation. He knew we were on the edge of the cliff being associated with him. And he did nothing. So, you see, we had NO CHOICE. Oh, sure... if we had been confirmed Enochians or believers in all that stuff, we might have thumbed our noses at all of Ark's Jewish colleagues who were on the rampage about evil magicians and their anti-semitic stuff. But we weren't. We are averse, against, whatever, all that sort of thing on principle to begin with, and we were really upset that V could NOT figure out that he was asking us to take so great a risk ... that he was busily posting more and more magical stuff on his site... heating the water day by day. Well, Hells' bells! What were we supposed to do? Were we supposed to show up at a conference we didn't want to do from the start, which we were doing only as a favor to begin with, costing us time, money, and hassle... just to "honor friendship" or whatever? When it was clear that this "friend" had no concern whatsoever about US, our reputation, our work, our risks that we were taking by being in association with him? See? For several days, I posted repeatedly to the group on the subject, giving V ample time and opportunity to show himself friend or foe... Did he do anything? Did he not see that he needed to do something? Well, apparently not. And with friends like that, who needs enemies. The decision had to be made, we got legal advice, gave him a deadline in writing, he defaulted, and that was that.
Well, there is more than irritation going on here. V is a very charismatic person. We and many others believed in him and were taken in by him. And if he hadn't acted so unprofessional about this whole thing, he would still be "under cover." But if you could read the public posts he has made about us, the continual stream of lies that comes out of his head, - well, like those who haven't checked the facts, you might believe him. But when the facts are checked, the lies are exposed. And as hard as it was for us to believe, well, there it was. The clear and evident proof that he almost never speaks the truth about anything. Even when he does, he twists it just slightly. Hells Bells, Jay! We could have solved the whole problem by telling a lie! I could have suddenly become "sick" - what an easy out! But we could not do it that way. It had to be the truth, even if we had to admit we had made a mistake agreeing to do the conference in association with FWMS, (which, again, was ONLY for the sake of the publishing!!!!), that we had egg on our face for making a bad decision that we now had to change, and we had to tell the truth about why. I hope that you read the series of reports on VB, including all that material he used to convince 200 people they were probably experimented on by the Gov, or raped by Satanists - and if it goes to court, a number of the women who were persuaded to pour out all their intimate lives to him for "therapy" are ready to come forward and testify... and keep in mind that he is now claiming it was all just a "novelization," or "a joke." I'm sorry. I must have missed the punch line. Jay, the plain fact is: he used us. He used you. He uses everybody. It's that simple. > It is a shame. But I can show you the hard evidence that this was NEVER mentioned until you just brought it up. It is one of the hardest things in the world to admit youv'e been deceived by someone you really like. And believe, me, right up until a few weeks ago, I still hung onto the hope that we were wrong - it was all a silly misunderstanding... it was all a lack of communication... or maybe even the actions of outside forces acting on any of the parties, maybe even including ourselves. I held out that hope because we LIKED V. But we see now, after all the evidence is in, that his talent for engendering feelings of "we're hermanos" or warm fuzzies, or convivial scholarship, or whatever, is his "trade." That's how he survives. That's what he does. He's good at it. Damn good. That is how he used your ten years of work, and some very clever parroting of scholarship, to ride on your coattails with AMET. That's how he persuaded us to forgo due diligence and not check up on him. That's how he was going to use Ark and his credentials and our work to climb up another step... he had a book that was in print due to YOUR work, he had credentials on the Laura Lee show that nobody would think of questioning because, after all, there IS a real book here in font of your face... he had an appearance on the Discovery channel as an "expert" on Atlantis, based on YOUR work and book with his name attached to it... And now he was gonna have a real live, prize winning physicist with a 30 year career in his stable of credentials. He's so good at what he does that YOU were threatening to "wipe us out" on his behalf - and he was nothing but a con artist. See how good he is? One of the best, I would say. I can't say I am surprised to learn that it was your work and not his on AMET. It's becoming pretty standard to discover that nothing he has ever said was true. And that is the hardest thing of all to face. And I guess we wouldn't have learned any of it if it hadn't been for the fact that we were stubborn about sticking to our principles. We weren't going to play that game, and we weren't going to lie about it either. Sorry for the kids. Sorry for you. Sorry for us. Sorry for all the other people who were hurt. But not sorry for having learned a bit more about how people can lie, and how careful we must be. Best, From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 10 Dec 2001, at 14:59, Goldenflower@... wrote: >
In the end the poor kids were the one who were ultimately screwed over
in P.S. Since V made a HUGE issue of the fact that he was barely breaking even on the conference after paying for the food, transportation, etc etc, and there would be little left over for the presenters, how was it that 8 grand was lost to charity? I'm trying to do the numbers here, and it just isn't working out. Help me out here. L From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 10 Dec 2001, at 19:22, Goldenflower@... wrote: >
I didn't know that V was making such claims. All I know is that we were
owed Join the club of the shell-shocked. I never understood how V could say such terrible things about Mr. Rysavy, or how you could agree with them, and continue to have relations with him. If I were Mr. Rysavy, I would be very hostile about V's claims that he (JR) was a Satanist and a pedophile. And even though you will pooh-pooh this next remark, we asked C's and they said that it was untrue, that Mr. R. was innocent of any such terrible things. So, even if you DO believe it, I don't. Laura From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> Just so you will have some idea of the commentary on my news to the group that the Zaca Lake thing was supposed to benefit a charity, about which no one was informed, here is an exchange between two members who had planned on attending...
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Goldenflower@… Laura: To be honest with you I don't - and I didn't - have the time to follow all of this. I am a very busy guy with running a video company, a major catalogue, a book I am writing, and running my favorite charity - Zaca Lake Retreat. I have been remiss in not watching what was happening. After I finished Amet, and 13 years of research, I was frankly, tired. I didn't meet VB until 1996 when he was hanging out in Boulder with Dan Winter. I told him about Hendaye and the Cross and my visits to France. He was egomanical, dismissing much of what I said. I recognized that he was heavily invested in his ego. But he was also a scholar. So I funded (with my own money) a research trip to France. He told me that he would pay me back for the trip but that was 3 years ago and I have yet to recieve a cent. The same goes with the book. I have not recieved a penny for it. But that was not why I wrote it. I did it because I owed the future the telling of the message of Hendaye. VB begged me to help me and I let him. My major regret with the book is it was obvious that VB had no traditions from which he was getting inspiration. So he is constantly alluding to the 'great' black magicians. VB got such an ego charge out of being associated with AMET that I quit having the large amounts of contact time (usually on the phone at Jirka's expense!) with him. I have heard other rumors and I was certainly familiar with the Stan Tenen/Dan Winter affair. I don't understand what you mean by anti-semitism at the conference. Are you saying that you have proof that there is a link between VB and Nazi Magic? Please forward all info to me asap, if possible as I am very interested in this. There is much here of which I was not aware. All I can say is that I am shocked. They shall reap what they sow and VB is certainly getting reaped. Sincerely, "Jay Weidner" From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 10 Dec 2001, at 19:52, Goldenflower@... wrote: >
I don't understand what you mean by anti-semitism at the conference.
Are you The situation was that a big discusson was going on among a number of physicists.... colleagues of my husband, on the subject of a growing awareness of th nature of the rise of Hitler and its connection to Magick (with a k, or the spells don't work I guess), and many present day "magickal" groups with anti-semitic agendas. In other words a DIRECT connection has already been drawn between the two in certain circles, most definitely among folks like the ADL, etc. Vincent KNEW this. We forwarded the posts to him about it. Is there a link between VB and Nazi Magic? Well, read the attached excerpts that I have posted on our website and you be the judge. Keep in mind that VB's main "tradition" is that of MacGregor Mathers (Golden Dawn) interpretation of the "calls to the aethyrs based on the work of Dr. John Dee. I have read the channeled material of Dee and it is 99 percent negative entities with an agenda. VB told me that he believed he was the reincarnation of Dr. Dee and it was HIS job to finish Dee's work, which Crowley was unable to do, and Mathers failed also. So, read the attached and see what you think. There is, of course, a great deal more that I have put together, but it is lengthy and requires a huge amount of background material to see the connections. This little set of excerpts boils it all down. Laura Attachments: enochian.doc From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> Jay, The snips of info in the attached doc are right off VB's website, as we speak. I have just pulled bits here and there, and included at the top his bibliography so that you will see where it is all coming from... who is behind the ideas, and who the ideals belong to. I have extracted one particular paragraph and pasted it here. Notice how the claim is made that the Enochian workings and the Ophanic Intelligences of Dr. Dee are given credit for the implied idea that VB was empowered to accomplish the "complete unraveling of Hendaye's message."
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Goldenflower@…. I have never read VB's site. But I am now!!!!!!! Sincerely, "Jay Weidner" From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> Hi, In case you didn't see them, here are the announcements of two events at Zaca, none of which mention anything about any of it benefitting charity. We have been unable to find any mention of this anywhere, so again, a lot of folks might get irate that they were not informed that their conference payments were possibly tax deductible. http://www.sacredmysteries.com/Events2.html http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/events.htm You are figured so prominently in these advertisments, that anyone will think you participated in their composition. If VB was in charge of all of this, promotion and so on, and your failure to pay attention to what he was doing because you were busy and trusted him to manage it is the reason behind it, many people will not understand this, and/or will expect action to be taken by you. Several members of the group have written to me that they remember VB telling them that the reason you were able to get the use of the Zaca facility was because you were the janitor, so when you fired your shot about Ark being unable to get a job as a janitor, this was read by many as a protest from your own position as a REAL janitor. Did VB suggest that line? So, the problem here is that there is such a complete "story" that has been created about you, your position in all this, that there really isn't a whole lot you can say at this point to correct it without sounding like you were part of VB's conspiracy then or now. (Well, maybe a complete public declaration or something.) What is more, there are a number of folks who have written to me who are looking at VB's interest in children and Satanic Abuse - which is his big rant - who have suggested that he operates as a "procurer" by his interactions with children's camps. Charges of pedophilia or interacting with what has been suggested as a "ring of international pedophiles" is not an accusation with which you - or any innocent person - would wish to be associated. And, since that is a possible future eruption over which I have no control since it is not even an idea that I contemplated, you might also find that you have been "set-up" to bring up the issue of a charity to benefit children's camps just now. Even if it is the truth, it's probably not a good time to suddenly reveal it. In other words, if you are truly innocent, you have been set-up in an almost unbelievable way. I am reminded of the McMartin pre-school thing and how that went out of control. I don't know what I think about it, whether anything was really going on or not, but I do know that once such ideas are bruited in public, it is almost impossible to avoid the backlash. You are in a very vulnerable position just now. As it happens, several people have suggested that VB accuses others of what he does himself, and this does, indeed, seem to be his Modus Operandi. And his accusations toward your employer, Mr. R., are of just such a nature. So, one wonders about his own role in such things. If such charges are ever made by any of the folks who have suggested it, or if any connections are found between VB and such activities, even if only circumstantial, it could have far reaching effects on his many associates then and now. Since he has been making these suggestions, whispering them as the "big secret," to the extent that even the physics list I mentioned discussed the possibility that Mr. R was behind a ring of Satanic pedophiles connected to Nazi black magic, (and I recognized the hand of VB there, for sure), and your position as an employee of Mr. R, - well, do you see? It is a hugely ugly situation. It's a tough spot to be in. And we realize that it could go way further than it has. We only have wished to defend ourselves against slander, libel and his vicious twisting of facts. We never, ever, dreamed that we would discover such a history as we have about him. And now, the speculations about what is REALLY behind his deceptions is running wild. I can't stop the snowball that he, himself, set in motion. So, be aware. What you don't know about CAN hurt you. L From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 11 Dec 2001, at 11:34, Goldenflower@... wrote:
Are you saying that VB has NEVER MET JR?????? Laura From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 11 Dec 2001, at 11:34, Goldenflower@... wrote: >
That someone who has never even met JR to say that he is a pedophile and
a Okay. So you are saying that VB never met JR. (I am anticipating your answer.) So, next question is: Did you purloin a copy of a rare book entitled "The Architecture of Nature" from Mr. R's offices, and make a copy of it to give to VB, as he claims? Laura From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 11 Dec 2001, at 11:39, Goldenflower@... wrote: >
What a bunch of shit. The event he is talking about, I believe was in
Aug. 96. Well, he will say that it is the truth, and you knew it was the truth, because it has been on his website all this time, and how could you NOT know it? You see, when I pointed out that I was not aware of all his magickal nonsense, his rebuttal was that I couldn't NOT know it because it was out in plain view on his site. I must be lying that I hadn't read it. But, the fact is, I HADN'T read it. I was only interested in AMET research, and I followed that link, downloaded the pages, printed them, punched holes in all of it (it was a lot) and put it in a notebook to read in comfort. I NEVER knew he was into all that other stuff because the titles of the links to those pages did not INTEREST me. Well, there it is. There is more of it, of course, and the more I learn, the more horrified I am at the very, VERY clever series of traps that have been laid for any number of people. I wish I could think that it was just unconscious, but it is looking less and less like that could be possible. L From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 11 Dec 2001, at 11:57, Goldenflower@... wrote: > snip> Again, join the club. But in this case, you may just want to take time out to look at what is going on, take protective measures. We didn't for a long time. We were so busy with our work, and paid so little attention to what he was doing, until somebody wrote to us and said "Hey, you BETTER look at this because it's getting ready to bite you." And we looked, and sure enough... It took a lot more of our time to dig out of the pit than it would have to have avoided it to begin with - assuming we had been paying attention. There is an old Sufi principle of "awareness" that applies here. But, as you say, enough time has been wasted on it. You have some idea of what the deal is, we have some idea of what is going down, a lot of other people are becoming aware of it, but I don't think that any of us really know the whole story. So, let's just leave the next move to VB. If he files suit, we will file for discovery. I can guarantee you that he will drag you and everybody else into it, and, according to the rules of discovery, that means that all the claims he has made about all the many people involved will be part of the discovery process, and all of them will have to be deposed. And, as you may recall, the fact that we were telling the truth, that we were operating from a position of defense, meant nothing to you, either - because all you knew was what VB told you. How many people will feel the same about you, as you felt about us, if it comes to that? How many people are already convinced that you and your employer are involved in something really dark because that is what he is telling people? He told it to Stan Tenen. It was repeated to a physics discussion group of a couple hundred folks... scientists and professionals. Yeah, it's a silly business, and it is taking time to deal with it. But, as the C's say "knowledge protects." You might want to apply this and find out what is going on. I know that the lies he posts on his site are only the tip of the iceberg of what he has said in emails and in conversations. Let me mention also, this rumor has spread to other discussion groups. A reader forwarded an email to me yesterday where it was being said that "Dan Winter's publisher is suing the Cassiopaean people over 'content." Well, that is not true. It's already a twist. But, the fact is, we had over 15000 visitors to our site yesterday from people coming to check out the rumor. If we hadn't posted the information that is there, they would have no basis upon which to make an evaluation. Think about that: 15000 - that's fifteen thousand. Each one of those 15000 people will repeat something to at least 5 other individuals, with greater or lesser accuracy. That means that by tomorrow, 75,000 people will have heard a 1st generation version of the story. By two days from now, maybe 375,000 people will have heard a 2nd generation version with twists and embellishments... So, just scale that down to VB's activities... he doesn't have as large a readership as we do, but still, the same principle works. It also works with things that are repeated personally. So, the 200 people on the physics list (Sarfatti's list) who have heard the "rumor" about your employer... which was going around back in July, by now, it has really traveled. It is a seed in the minds of many people. So, if later, VB declares that HE was just a dupe of others - which seems to be his M.O. - and that seed is already planted, though no one can remember exactly where or how they heard it, they will be inclined to believe it is true just because they already "heard it somewhere." In short, he is playing the oldest game in the world. And like it or not, he has made you one of the playing pieces. But, again, let's just see what his next move is. Relax, get some work done, as I intend to do as well. Thanks for clearing up some things for me. Laura
Here is the first message on the theme that was going around in late July, early August. Please note the recipents. I expect that you will recognize some of these names... Kochav ben Yehuda who responds to this is a member of the ADL, a big Zionist, and the axe he was grinding was to lump all of us together into a big Nazi conspiracy of Black Magicians a la "Stargate Conspiracy." I guess that, because my husband is from Poland, and Mr. R is from Europe also, that the both of them are being painted with some kind of KGB/Satanist/ political agenda (read anti-American) brush. I can guarantee you that there was NOTHING on our site that was anti-semitic. We have many Jewish readers and members of our e-group. In times like these, this is VERY dangerous. Do NOT underestimate the danger here. Please read our page on this: http://www.cassiopaea.com/cass/stargate.htm I later pinned Stan Tenen down about this "rumor" which I recognized as originating with VB. I realized that the whole deal with Stan and Dan was a MAJOR manipulation by VB who was playing both sides against the middle in a big way here. Stan is as much VB's victim as anybody who interacts with VB and stands up to his ego. So, don't go tearing after Stan on this one. He got it straight from VB. In all these things, we keep coming back to VB. "Warning Will Smith! Danger! Danger!" My opinion of Hurtak (who Stan is defending) is that he is either deliberately evil, or he is just a tool. Same with Drunvalo, et al.
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