25, 1998, Blue sent the following email to me for Ark:
25 Dec 1998 11:19:20 -0800 (PST)
From:Blue Resonant Human […]
Subject: For Ark from Sarfatti
ain't my cup-o-tea but Ark may like it.
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For The Record
Subject: Reverse Engineering Alleged Alien Super-Technology
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Ryazanov Replies #2
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:22:17 -0600
From: "Gary S. Bekkum"
To: "Sarfatti, Jack"
I have edited this to remove confusing tag lines.
Note George Ryazanov is a physicist from Moscow who worked with Sakharov.
The San Francisco Art Institute is running a show "Angels and Aliens".
Ryazanov Re: The Philosophy of Alien Science - From the Biological to
George Ryazanov says: "There is a common saying that the setting
of experimental procedures is determined mostly by the theory that we
want to prove or disprove...we have here a cycle that must be broken."
The "Alien Science" - It is better to name it "the science
of future" - it is the next step in our science.
(the) simulations by synthesis of reality goes beyond this cycle of
informational dependence. It is "alien" in the sense that
it is foreign to our normal thought processing. It may be "alien"
in the sense that Jack Sarfatti means if the new dynamic is a result
of an interaction with intelligence that is not of this world. It may
also be a result of a future human reality in the multiverse.
It is the dependence on some unconscious cliché.
Ryazanov says that to go beyond mere experimental procedure, we must
apply "principles that are above the existing theory and existing
human thought as applied to physics, which seeks the precision of "truth"
by the application of mathematics, Ryazanov writes "...new physics
cannot be described by (the) language of mathematics. The trust in mathematics
is the third sin (of physicists). (The first sin is to assume that only
retarded causal waves are physical. The second is trust in experimental
In more concrete form it is the trust in local dynamics that did not
depend on motion of distant matter of Universe.
Sarfatti] Note my conjecture for a new law of nature
Cosmological Hubble Time = O(10 billion years) where T(orch) is the
duration of an "occasion of conscious experience" in an entangled
N q-bit coherent switching network protected against decoherence for
at least time T(orch). Note the universal Machian global character
of this hypothetical post-quantum principle like the no-hair theorem
of classical black hole physics.
Is this an intellectual trust, or an emotional dependence?
It is the erroneous receipt of solving the equations of classical physics.
George goes on to say that in his new physics "the most interesting
result is the derivation of numbers and geometry from dynamics of pure
Like QM curvature fluctuation/classical curvature = (Planck distance/Classical
wormhole radius) (Compton wavelength/scale of fluctuation)^3 in Wheeler
far-field (1a) QM curvature fluctuation/classical curvature = (Planck
distance^2/Classical wormhole radius) Compton wavelength^3/scale of
fluctuation^4 in Sidharth near-field (1b)
= (Hubble time) /N (2a)
= (spatial separation of coherent q-bit)(Planck's quantum of action)/(Newton's
gravity constant)(mass of q-bit)^2 N^5/3 (2b)
< T(OR) (2c)
time)/Nmax = (spatial separation of coherent q-bit)(Planck's quantum
of action)/(Newton's gravity constant)(mass of q-bit)^2 Nmax^5/3
(2d) threshold crossing point condition
Hubble time/Nmax (2e)
exists when N < Nmax, T > Tmin all forms of decoherence screened
except self-gravity (2f)
is all different from what Hameroff proposes though it is partly based
on his ideas and the ideas of many others.
In order to understand such an "alien paradigm" one must do
as the "aliens" do and learn to think like an "alien".
Yes, I have here the detailed technique.
Will the details of your technique be made available?
In near future I shall sent you some details.
The primary paradigm shift required to understand the "new alien
physics" is to re-assess the meaning of "information"
and 'knowledge" in human thought. The first step in making this
paradigm shift is to reconsider the dynamics of learning in terms of
the symmetry of meaning.
Do you mean the mutual influence of angelic and existential levels of
dynamics? Laws of physics are norms of angelic translation of one Name
Perhaps. I mean that there is a symmetry of meaning between the object
of knowledge and the experience of that object. To say that we have
meaning in our knowledge of physics is to say that there is a representational
simulation taking place within the dynamics of the "fifth phase
of matter" - that is, within the Sarfatti PQM backaction of matter
on the mind that is guiding it.
Examples: two-signs-of-time-symmetry, two-signs-of-causality-symmetry,
What is the fundamental symmetry between matter and mind for Sarfatti
It is the complex procedure of transforming our state of mind to some
mathematical structures and our emotions to physical forces.
The human approach to learning is technologically primitive. It is based
on trial and error exploration of our environment. To transfer this
learning we spend a great deal of our lives in classrooms, repeating
the trials of those before us. An analogy is in order here. "Alien
knowledge" is self-reproducing.
But if we want to feed this self-reproducing entity we must spend our
life on this feeding.
Can you explain this in more detail?
I have in mind the history of my search of understanding this entity
and the ways to interact with it.
It is imprinted on the existing order (like a "digital copy"
is made on a recording medium). The application of this synthetic dynamic
upon the medium of reality produces a change in that reality. The dynamic
that results is unique, it bears aspects of the "alien order"
and the order upon which it has been imprinted.
Example: my derivation of quantum mechanics.
Yes, this is what I had in mind, a transfer of order between organized
systems. The core of this issue is found by examining the structure
of the physical non-material reality (the fifth phase of matter) that
is produced as a result of the strange loops of dynamic interaction
between a thought and the physical representation of that thought.
Those loops can be seen in the history of our basic traditions. "Fifth
phase of matter" can be revealed through those traditions - I have
technique of this revealing.
I am interested in the transfer to the present moment of "new dynamics
of future (alien) science". In particular the possibility of learning
from future to past as a process in our experience of time's arrow from
past to future.
"That's a nice rendition", Gary. :-) (Kubrick's 2001)
It is learning a program (as DNA), the future is created here.
Within this fifth phase is a new set of orders which are not apparent
to us from our temporal perspective. Loops of interaction organize this
fifth phase product of biological systems from the material brain to
the cosmic orders of the angelic realm.
In learning. But in evolution we have inverse order.
Yes. It is not that the "dead" material physical matter of
the universe has conscious or unconscious mental processes.
But in new physics matter interact with mental processes. - I have a
detailed description of this nteraction.
This is Sarfatti's Q*<->(X). We are anxious to see the details
of this interaction.
I shall send.. Rather, it is the fact that our minds representational
capacity) supply such matter with a corresponding "fifth phase"
dynamic. Indeed,what is truly astounding is to consider that the fifth
phase of matter is in a state of such incredible dynamic interaction,
shaped as it is by the very forces of our mental imagery and emotional
states of mind.
So as by imaginary of angels and Creator.
Yes, I understand this better now. Our minds are corrupted by errors
in the "programming" of our "fallen world"?
Yes. Some of those errors I have deleted.
The secret of the "alien scientists" is that they have recognized
that this dynamic is intimately interwoven with the material physical
And have transformed this knowledge to his apparatus and procedures.
Indeed, the totality of their scientific pursuit is based on the manipulation
of the physical non-material fifth phase matter, in order to synthesize
new properties and order. One might even speculate on the possible "harvesting"
of human fifth phase dynamics for raw material to imprint.
Human beings are only a means for regulation from "fifth dynamics".
Please explain how we regulate the "fifth phase dynamics".
Is there a benefit to the "alien technology" to generate intense
human emotion and symbolic imagery?
It is the only way to redemption.
Perhaps at the "angelic level", but there is a dangerous application
of this technology for psychotronic warfare.
This technology have strong demands on the moral level of "observer",
then there is no danger here.
Perhaps there are certain qualities that are aesthetically better suited
to the "alien purpose"?
These qualities are the most valuable in art, religion, mysticism.